Everyone, and Just about anyone with a background in Economics and can understand the market will tell you that a healthy market is supposed to be somewhat close to what C.K.Prahalad defined and popularized as – atleast here in India – a Pyramid. But is our economy, atleast when it comes to the Industrial sector anywhere close to it? Hmmm… One has to really think about that one.
I am not even for a second going to even go near the point of saying that I am enlightened here with this revelation that our economy is not a pyramid. Infact, this conversation has been initiated, argued, debated, chewed and spat on in most economic forums in the country and everyone is very well aware that we dont have a healthy Pyramid. I am just thinking through, what it means in terms of repercussions to the industry as a whole and to the entrepreneurial community.
Let’s start from the basics: The pyramid usually has about three segments. The 20% of the huge corporations and conglomerates, and the rest 80% which are pretty much the SME segment and the Startups. Now, do the numbers really add up? I’d have to think about that one, yet again.
During a conversation with a friend recently, the conversation revolved around which city provides a better atmosphere for a startup, from a perspective of providing that initial feedback, customer insights and etc, so that there is clarity past the ideation stage before the prototype is built. I had this perplexed look on my face trying to figure out if there is yet a city which provides that here in India. While most do cry out “Bangalore”, if you ask me, that city is the most startup-unfriendly territory that I am observing.* Whilst there is a very active group of people, and some with disposable incomes, who have started an entire community of unconference events and discussions that surround that, very little is happening past that. Bangalore, as per the count that we have on the number of startups, measures quite low. Salaries are high, infrastructure is expensive, branding is a very costly affair, attracting talent is a dance on the pole – let alone quality talent, and there a dozen startups fighting for the starving number of resources who are available and will actually provide that high caliber value for a startup. On the number of new startups that are emerging, the city ranks quite low. But at the sametime there is quite an active number of “startups” in the city which have been lurking around for a while – and when I say a while, it means for roughly around a decade. They have neither joined the SME alliance, nor are they really a newborn child. And this is essentially the company of alliance that is available in most places to get “that initial feedback” that we were discussing about. When these companies themselves are struggling to make that jump after a decade, I am not sure what sort of real feedback they can provide their new wave, that is coming up. I do hope that you understand the conundrum that we are facing here.
So that roughly puts things in perspective. If you break down an industry vertical, lets say the internet space, we have the likes of the public sector companies, and then we have companies such as Rediff and Indiatimes which form the bottom hemisphere of the lollipop, and then there is this ultrafine line of companies which are not more than a handful, which are to be the SME and startup companies put together. Lo! and behold, not the pyramid, but the lollipop. And in this Lollipop economy, the upper circle is competition and fiercely guards anything, anyone from the bottom is trying to pull. Feedback, and initial discussions are absolutely out of the question in most cases.
This is a concern, cause in an efficient ecosystem, I strongly believe that Incubators will have much less of a role to play. If knowledge was freely available, and people could catch up over a cup of coffee to vet out an idea, and that validation process could happen over conversations in a much more fluid manner – eventually leading to mindshare, market traction, talent referral, intial client base and even funding, then there is absolutely no need for a third element to facilitate this. Today, Incubators become an essential part of this conversation, since they are the only ones who can moderate and manage the intellectual property talks that are carried out and have any say with these bigger guys, who if they wish could squish these startups in as much time as it takes to blink.
It is quite beautifully put: Markets are inherently conversational. The more conversations we have, the faster we mature, and we need to have them in a much more open manner with all our cards on the table and as early as possible – if you are building a startup, or contributing towards the ecosystem. But unless the economic bifurcation by quantity and numbers is a pyramid, and not a lollipop, it is going to be a tough stroll up that mountain as we grow.
*While it is my opinion that, if a valley-type of ecosystem comes together in India it will be in a tier 2 city such as Pune or Hyderabad, that’s a conversation separate for another day.
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Vijay,
Looks like you have rubbed many folks on the wrong side by taking on B’lore. I’d say Indian tech community should stop vicariously living in silicon valley.
Even silicon valley has its share of problems in terms of Infrastructure and being obscenely expensive for what it has to offer. Techcrunch reflects only the glamourous side of it.
Tell me if we had any ecosystem or pyramid, when Infy was created. Don’t tell me its a Service company and doesn’t require same amount of innovation as that of a technology startup.
We only need a strong startup success story as good as Infy. The ecosystem, Pyramid, me-too companies everything would follow.
And coming to location where it would come from,since we are talking about technology startups, location should not matter. The world is Flat now and even Barack Obama acknowledges in his book ‘The Audacity of Hope’ that kids in suburbs of America have to compete not only with kids all over america, but with kids in B’lore and shanghai
Whoa whoa… calm down folks. There seems to be quite a bit of assumptions riding high here.
1. Who was the dude who wrote saying I have something personal against someone in bangalore? Someone needs to whack him in the head a bit 🙂 This was anything but personal. For heaven’s sake, half my friends are in Bangalore and I might even consider moving there, or working closely with some folks there!
2. Kesava, Proto.in functions on a different set of attributes. I dont think it has much to say on the state of the city. We just have partners on the ground in bangalore, and we are going with the flow. I think this has very little with my involvement in that role.
3. The entire thought process behind this post was very simple: I see a lot of startups still struggling to survive. Struggling to grow, struggling to make that leap forward. Yeah, I know its romantic to struggle with a passion and all that but, are we doing something as part of the ecosystem to help make that transition and build some success stories – despite the fact of where they are located “water parched cities” or not.
I am getting a lot of responses from folks saying that Bangalore has the best network. I am in no way contradicting that. But what does it all add upto. Are the startups making their stride and are they growing in the right direction is the question we need to be asking.
The startups need to survive, and need to win. We desperately need a success story, and everytime we talk about the economic recession and if the US economy slowdown is going to impact us, I am asking myself, if the worst does happen is our plan B in place, and I am not sure if it is yet. We need to make that happen guys, we have a long way to go on that.
The only big thing that I have against bangalore is that I am still a wee bit disappointed that amidst all this buzz of activity why arent we seeing a fast growing, and amazing startup yet? What are we doing wrong? What should we focus on..
I hope that I can find some of those answers with you. This has very little to do with the cities we live in, and much more to do with the bigger picture. Lets start thinking along those lines.
PS: On a slightly different note, There is a lot of silent activity going on in the Mumbai-Pune zone. Their recent barcamp success and the rate at which they are coming up is one to watchout for.
Taking pot shots at Bangalore, you are certainly welcome to do so. And taking pot shots at people and groups in Blgr, you are welcome to do so as well; as long as you are willing to take the flak that comes with it.
So if you say Bangalore is bad for entrepreneurship and that is YOUR opinion then it is fine. We can have arguments based on emotions and opinions until the cows come home and we can throw some dung at each other as well while we are at it but that is of no good. Put figures and data, we have to believe you.
You hold two Proto events in Chennai and now start saying Blgr is not a place for entrepreneurship but Pune and Hyd. The logic does not seem to flow right. For instance you go for two holidays to Singapore and after that start saying Paris is not a good travel destination but London and Bangkok are. Is it because you don’t want to go to Paris (the biggest travel destination) for your next holiday? So you do not want to have Proto in Blgr for what ever reason and now you are flipping the entire story to say entrepreneurs can actually bypass Bangalore (hence also Proto) and that activities in Blgr like BarCamp, HeadStart, StartupSaturday, OCC, Foss, MobMonday, etc. belong to the little league. If you are going to say that Proto will be in Bangalore, then for what? According to your own opinion it is a worthless place for entrepreneurs. Why don’t you cut the candy and the Giza story and say what you want to say?
Creating and entrepreneurial ecosystem has to be a collective effort it is not wise to create territorial factions. In addition, it is not polite to dismiss peoples’ efforts by saying “very little has happened beyond that”; certainly not when people are volunteering time and effort to develop an enabling environment.
Coming to markets and conversations, markets are mostly conversational but not always so. Let me take you on a little tangent and bring you back. Opportunities can be segregated into 3 types – allocative, discovery and creative. When both demand and supply are known and the opportunities that come into existence due to bringing these together are allocative in nature (selling Auto spare parts, marble, plastic buckets, TVs…). When one side exists and the others side does not, then opportunities need to be discovered. Like for instance problems exist so the search is for solutions or solutions exist so the search is for the problems (glue that does not stick – post it pads). And finally when neither supply nor demand exists then both need to be created (popularly known as radical innovation, disruptive technologies, etc.). Conversations help in identifying allocative and discovery kind of opportunities and not creative opportunities. Even then, where do you think tech conversations are likely to take place where there are 100 techies or where there are 1000 techies?
I disagree on Bangalore being startup unfriendly. Your statements are very contradictory.. On one hand you are saying Bangalore is startup unfriendly and other hand you are planning to do PROTO in dec in Bangalore. (This is what I heard from friends). Then why to do startup focused event in the most startup unfriendly city.
Vijay: Salaries are high.
Kesava: Best salaried people are not the best in the industries; Best people will never get best salaries. There are plenty of best people available for less salary.
Vijay: infrastructure is expensive
Kesava: May be you are right….
Vijay: attracting talent is a dance on the pole – let alone quality talent
Kesava: I want you to cross check with HR community.
One small suggestion, just have look at the number of Bangalore based startups presented in PROTO.
All those problems you are mentioning are for the MNC companies… not for the Startup!
Vijay,
Excellent arguments. But I fail to agree with the numbers you have based your arguments on. If it comes to technology startups, nothing (Pune or Hyderabad or Chennai) comes even closer to Bangalore in their sheer number. It is for this reason that most people who return from the valley, settle in Bangalore.
Besides, tt is the most conducive place for talent. Exactly the point that you mentioned – startup don’t make a significant part of workforce generation. And that is why getting talent in Bangalore is not as difficult as you have mentioned.
But would you like to startup in a city where quality talent will be scarce? Or in a place which has the largest concentration of techies, has the best engineering research (IISc), hosts the biggest Barcamps (BCBs), the biggest MoMos, Foss.in (and pretty much all FOSS activities), the most vibrant technology showcase event (Headstart), hordes of engineering colleges (IIITB and others), one of the best management institutes (IIMB) in the country and where one, figuratively, breathes tech?
Or, perhaps, you would start a company in a place where water is scarce, talent is rare, weather is painful and whose only claim to fame is an IIT?
I respect Pune for what it is becoming. But don’t you see the marked resemblance between Pune and Bangalore – big companies, engg talent, research and management institutes, conducive weather and most importantly, close to market (Mumbai).
This is entirely my perception. I may be wrong. But I am sure you need to rework your numbers as well.